A PROGRESSIVE'S VIEW OF GUN CONTROL
66About 20 years ago, I lived in a rather crime infested area of Denver just outside downtown. I was burglarized and had a transistorized television and radio stolen during broad daylight while I was away at work. In the immediate aftermath, I felt like many do after something like this happened, violated. The ‘Columbo’ looking investigator that came by to assess the crime scene told me to get elaborate alarms systems and consider obtaining a gun. I got the alarm system which never seemed to work when it needed to work. I was kept awake at night pondering how I was prepared to deal with a break in that would occur while I was in the house as I knew that the criminal element was casing out the place. I was angry and certainly came very close to obtaining a gun, a small gun, mind you, to incapacitate or kill if necessary as I was not going to ask the intruder whether his intention was to take my color TV or my life. If I caught anyone under such circumstances, ‘shoot first and ask questions later’ was my motto. I found out that a bunch of teenaged kids were involved. I ultimately came to the conclusion that for my peace of mind and security it was best that I move from the apartment there and buy a house in a relatively crime free suburb of Denver. I was able to dispense with the violent thoughts about what I would do if I could only get my hands on those kids. This obsession was subconsciously ruining my disposition and my life. So, Conservatives, I wanted you to know that I am not just another liberal here to take your gun. I clearly understand the need to possess firearms to protect you and your family on private property from intruders who are becoming more and more ruthless and callous by the day.
That aside, however, I have a few questions for the Conservatives and the Pro-gun lobby.
Looking at Arizona in particular, a state where one can carry a handgun on his or her person without a permit, how do you control sales of handguns to minors, felons, or medically certified nut cases? The incident in Tucson must alert many of us to the dangers of being able to obtain guns more easily than I can get my ‘Quarter Pounder’ burger. Conservatives say that registration and licensing is an imposition. I am for law abiding persons being able to obtain a firearm without a lot of fanfare, but without regulations in the form of permits and licenses, how do we screen out those that most of us agree should not have access? Let’s be realistic here, I am not Wyatt Earp and this is not Dodge City. One of the most heinous incidents of gun violence took place a couple of miles from my former residence, in Littleton, CO. Perhaps, you have heard of the Columbine High School Massacre in April, 1999? In this case a minor, a 17 year old, acquired a semiautomatic weapon and, of course, the rest is history.
The right to bear arms obviously includes access to a pistol with a magazine holding over thirty rounds of ammunition, as was the case with the shooter in Arizona. Are grenade launchers, tanks, missile launchers included? I don’t mean to mock, but where do we have limits as to the kinds of weapons accessible to general public under the explanation of self defense?
And then, there is this one incident in Houston suburb some three years ago. It was the case of this man who called 911 to report a burglary in progress at his neighbor’s home. He knew that the neighbors were away for a time. He, it was reported, was the grandfatherly type and wouldn’t hurt a fly. The 911 staff repeatedly advised him to stay in his home and not get involved and that the police would be along to deal with it. The man kept on saying that he could not allow these two men he identified to get away with what ever they were taking. He said that he had a shotgun and was prepared to go and stop them. It turned out that he did confront the two men and shot them both. The autopsies on both men revealed that they were shot in the back. Through some twisted application of a Texas law that allows assaults of this nature, this man was not held accountable for this act. Doesn’t the ‘Code of the West’ frown on shooting men in the back? Could the fact that these men were non-white allow this man to do this and not have his conscience seared quite as much? I could consider the law a splendid one, if he acted to protect the lives of his neighbors or his own life. I could understand lethal force if the men had broken into this man’s home. As it was though, this fellow was not in any danger and there was not anyone in either house whose lives were at risk by the activities of these burglars. He deliberately took action to kill when he was told by professionals not to, and he is not held accountable, how? How does the Conservative Pro-gun group respond to this?
While my Progressive instincts react to the idea of people carrying firearms as it emboldens many to be provocative or be imprudent when they otherwise would not be. Small minded people like to brandish firearms, fire them into the air in bravado or protest and use them to intimidate others. There are the macabre types that are looking for an excuse to try it out, actually pull the trigger and watch the rounds rip through flesh and devastate bone tissue. We all are in constant contact daily; would a confrontation with another result in hurt feelings, a bloody nose or a body bag? We need to take to heart what it was the President said about the need for civility in our discourse. It needs to start with us as individuals, respecting the rights of each other to hold and share alternate opinions without resorting to violence.
So, eventually, I got another portable TV to replace the one stolen for a price that was far less than having to deal with consequences of shooting some idiot teenager on my conscience for a lifetime. I think that it was a pretty good trade off.
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Awesome and thoughtful - something has gone very wrong with a culture that people feel that they need to own a gun to be safe. I thought that's how it was before the marshal came to town or they made someone a sheriff and gave him a star.
The proper debate around gun control should focus on putting the question in the right perspective, i.e., what kind of culture would you like you or your children to live in? If you are not free from fear, it makes other freedoms seem pretty unimportant. The Constitution recognized the importance of having the right to pursue happiness; if live in a neighborhood where gunfire and shootings rob you of your sense of living free from fear, I would argue the right of those bearing arms are robbing you of your freedom since guns are difficult to control when they get into irresponsible hands.
while I disagree with your conclusions, I very much appreciate this hub and the fact that your brought real life examples and logic into the discussion and did not rely only on emotion or platitudes. If only more people could state there views with as much clarity and respect, we wouldn't have these nasty political dialogues. Well done. Voted up.
Ya. But, for some reason, with religion and politics, it really is an us vs them mentality with no wiggle room or room for rational debate.
ya. i've had people unfriend me on facebook because i dared have a different opinion then them on religion or politics. It's always the ones who claim to be the most open minded who really can't deal with opposing viewpoints.
I tend to look at the film Unforiven as an example. Most guns committed by criminals aren't purchased through legal means anyway. Banning or restricting guns doesn't really help the law abiding citizens. The stats show that countries with the most lenient gun laws have the lower amount of violent crime. I can't argue with those facts. While I certainly think some checks and balances are necessary, there will always be a criminal element that will obtain things legally or otherwise. Prohibition generally doesn't work and, I will always defend a person's right to defend himself and his home and property.
I'm not arguing that you didn't acknowledge that, just telling you where I stand :-)
have a good evening. Nice to see you lurking around hubland, gun free, of course.
lol. coconuts can kill. perhaps a waiting period is in order?
Good discussion here. However, I believe AZ does require a permit or license...have a relative who 'carries' and he had to go through training to get permit to do so.
Thanks for sharing info/questions, and opinion.
lol, credence. if I ever decide to break into your home, I'll be sure to clear out all the produce from your fridge before I let the festivities begin
i got it, credence. I feel safer now that we've talked










Joshua0853 15 months ago
Credence2, I understand your concern and I appreciate your balanced approach in discussing this issue.
In an open society there can never be absolute safeguards on gun acquisition and use. However, depriving law-abiding citizens of their Constitutionally guaranteed right to bear arms is not the answer. Reading between the lines of your post suggests to me that you probably would agree with that.
The problem with gun control is that if it ever happens in the US, only criminals will have guns. We'd really be in a pickle then. Let's face it...they are called "CRIMINALS" for a reason.
Unfortunately, there's always going to be those who misuse and abuse that right, like the moron in Houston who took two lives to prevent them from taking "stuff"...and not even his own stuff!
I'm sorry you had to move rather than face the prospect of one day perhaps having to shoot someone. But I respect that decision.
Going forward, there is something you might consider. That is the use of "non-lethal" self defense products such as pepper sprays, stun guns and tasers. In addition, I'd also recommend some home security protections as well (alarm systems, cameras, etc).
I've been where you are and now have those items in place. I can't begin to explain the sense of security I now feel.
I wish you well.
Joshua Warren